Thanks for confirming what I already suspected
I have an idea to save us all some time and effort.. Instead of all the typing, we will use codes.
1 = muddy bass
2 = indistinct or muddy kick
or in my case just say "same as always". Pretty much same thing every mix. Im starting to wonder if it is even possible with my current setup. EZ Drummer 2, Focusrite 2i4, D.I. Bass using a Schecter Raiden Special 4. Something in the equation just isnt adding up here.
I started with the isolated drums from the Ozzy song. I used Span and got my freq curve pretty much lined up with his. Kick had a peak at like 110 hz IIRC. There was more or less of a "smile" EQ shape across the drum kick, which I pretty much matched mine up to. Well of course I could hear that my recording didnt exactly sound like his lol, but I was hopeful that at least mine was reasonable.
But yeah, I can obviously hear that my kick isnt popping that much, there is only sort of a dull thud that one has to strain to hear. Its odd because the kick I used did have some 2,5k - 3.5k registering on the meter but I took most of it out because I didnt see the Ozzy kick showing anything there.
And to me it doesnt seem to be a matter of cutting this or boosting that. Ive done all that in spades. Like I said, my freq curve matched Ozzys more or less. Im thinking it must be something like cumulative compression or phase issues somehow (on both bass and kick)
for instance on this kit there is a kick in, kick out, and kick sub. I put those in their own bus which of course is in turn in a drum bus. So there is compression on the kick out, then on the kick bus, then on the drum bus, then on the master mix. Im assuming that somehow my issues r there. It CANT possibly be this hard to get a simple kick drum registering properly. Obviously im doing something fundamentally wrong here because it simply cant be this hard to do. (Edit: In checking I see that I actually just had compression on the overall drum bus and on the master bus)
Same with bass. Im going DI since I dont have a bass amp. I have a track for the DI and then that also goes to a track where I use the TSE BOD bass overdrive. I usually try for a mix of clean and distorted but on this one I had both tracks distorted to different degrees. Again, there are probably 3-4 levels of compression on different busses etc. Obviously something is fundamentally wrong because I dont see others having these difficulties.
When I was using the ref tracks I had them patched straight to my output, skipping the master track and thus my EQ/compressors etc. I think ill patch my bass and kick straight thru like that and see if they sound considerably better. If so it is telling me that my processing is just mucking things up.
Ive went from hopeful to confused to frustrated to angry....and now its just getting kind of comical. I have always considered myself as being semi intelligent but I guess im having my doubts now
Original drum track
this guy has some nice isolated tracks https://www.youtube.com/user/M3G4B1T397/videos
and especially this guy has tons of them