My vision for this site

My vision for this site
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#104

Personally, I feel one off the biggest problems with the site as it stands is it’s format.

The home page only shows the latest conversations in chronological order. Unless you know the layout of the site in detail, that’s all you see when you first get here.

There are no obvious ‘stickies’ or articles where visitors can find the stimulating information they might be searching for. Some members make a valiant effort to welcome new members, but where do those folks go next?.. Sure, great, helpful information is here, but it’s buried deep in long-forgotten threads

To illustrate the situation in real world terms: it’s like walking into a musicians/aspiring audio persons’ conference…

Someone meets you at the door and says “Welcome, come in, make yourself at home”… So you do, because you love this stuff…but instead of finding signs directing you clearly to seminars, workshops, topical discussions, all you see are little groups of people in huddles, deep in conversations with each other…

What do you do? Break into a conversation? Start talking loudly to attract attention to yourself, hoping someone might join you? Collar someone and ask them where all the action is?

Let’s face it: most reasonable, self-aware, generally socially well-adjusted adults want to sit back and observe a situation before jumping in and opining/contributing.

If there is apparently nothing happening but a bunch of conversations among people they don’t know, with nothing obvious that they can engage with on some level, then they will walk right out of here as quickly as they came in.

My $0.02


#105

I could easily make the category page the default view. Do you think that’d be a better move?


#106

As i have been mulling over this what i have come up with is 1. we have a community of people from different parts of the world and differing skill sets but a similar passion to make music 2. i joined and have stuck around because i want to get better and come as close as i can to achieving that passion before i kick the bucket. so with that in mind:

a. “bash this” is the best thing we have going. The more of that we have going on the better.
b. we (any member who can) should be encouraged to do a tutorial or 3. They can be text with sound samples or full on video and range from space setup to mastering, song writing to post production.
c. these could be arranged in a way that over time we have a virtual handbook for learning to setup, record, mix, and master that we can all learn from.
d. we can then all be involved in adding to any tutorial and giving more suggestions, asking questions, answering questions and learning.

as an example one of the most memorable moments for me from RR was a tutorial Andrew (coldroom studio) did on backwards compression.

This is my dream and i think that enough jumped in over time it is possible and very useful. It will also assist in promoting discussions.


#107

My only interests are those that deal with the making of any kind of music. I guess I don’t understand why copied material that someone has found interesting on the internet should land here. Unless, of course it is something about mixing, gadgets etc. The title of this site should dictate that. This is my fav site and I look forward to seeing the newest “bash my” The rest pertaining to improvement, I will leave to the many brilliant mind that visit here. Thanks for this place

Sincerely

Paul


#108

Andrew has raised a good point… @holster, how difficult would it be to land to swap the ‘categories’ page as the home page instead? I got used to the ‘conference’ or everything page, but I can see how some might not be.


#109

Sorry I haven’t been able to add much to this the last couple days! I’ll be around this weekend and plan to gather these ideas and come up with a plan. Thank you for all your input!!!


#110

I can too. I love the layout, but only because I’m totally used to it and it works awesome for what it is.

I saw another site that uses this software that actually has a split view with the categories on the left half and the latest (as we see them) on the right. I really like that view the best so far.


#111

That would great. I think that ‘all threads’ category should still be the default at the top of a split column. That way no one really misses anything, and we notice immediately where the high activity threads are.

The difference would be that it looks more organized, and the sub categories can be accessed and queried without having to jump to a separate ‘by category’ tab.


#112

Are you interested in delegating out the ‘badge’ idea?


#113

I just read this thread pretty fast, but I really empathize with the situation of IRD. It parallels Audiopolis.org insofar as the active participants seem to pare down to a handful, and even though we know why, there is not much we can do.

We have a lot of knowledge, but we don’t have a site for music consumers or artists wanting to promote their music. We have a site with an amazing forum within which is built a lot of music as well, but it is far from public friendly. I think the mechanics of the site feel great, though, and that bodes well.

I have this notion that struggling music sites need to link to one another more actively, especially when they offer complementary services. We could be indie boutique sites, catering to niches. We might get more cross circulation. We could even create more sites if they don’t exist.

And in my mind it would be swell if the funding for the site could be member paid for. It shouldn’t be expensive, say $20 to be a basic lifetime member. You get a badge and a mention on a special page. Pay $100, be a Gold Member. Etc etc.


#114

PS:

I was going to mention that I had a great experience in BTR with Planet of Beautiful People. And even greater in the Collaboration Forum with the Interstellar Fur Traders project featuring that song.

It of course is only beginning, but I have an extremely optimistic feeling about it. It is 10 songs plus as many spoken parts, a whole album of music, and that is a lot to ask for help on. I’d even say it was too great a task, too much to expect from anyone, except that I’ve seen it happen before at Audiopolis, so I knew it could be done. Even still, I had no idea what would result from this.

And why? Because I’m a no name hobbyist with a campy sci-fi musical idea. So it is not the commercial value, a possibility but unlikely, but we discussed it anyway, just in case. In my case, I split equally to keep it simple and honest in that any commercial hope will be due to everyone’s contribution. It must be the music and the story sounded like fun, and that we enjoy the idea of the musical direction we want it to take, the Roxy Music Billy Thorpe Tubes future fusion rock that we call it.

And that’s the value here. We really do have opportunities to make original exciting music better than we could on our own. In BTR, it is production that is improved, it is concept that is challenged. In Collab it builds upon that and more. It is freedom and diversity of ideas, and then creatively incorporating them all in actual songs. In my experience, it is often unexpected and maybe not what you had in mind, but you have to try to roll with it, and in the end you may like it that way, maybe a lot better.


#115

I’m trying to be better about at least checking in on the site once a day. Working full time, running a busier than expected side business, and taking care of an aging parent keeps me busier (and more tired) than I want to be. I do like the ideas I see coming across in this thread.


#116

If I ever get enough time to record the drum track for the song I posted for collaboration, we will have another mixing contest.


#117

I think these are extremely important points. I’ve always felt a bit frustrated by the layout of this forum.
When I enter a site, I like to know where I can find the information that I’m looking for quickly. Some kind of chart or map to direct me would be very helpful…

I wonder if you could make a make of the world for the main page and have each category written on a country, on the map… For instance, the USA might be “Recording and Mixing”…The UK could be “Plugins”…Canada could be Newbies…etc, etc. :innocent:. Hey Canadians , don’t be offended…I’m a Canadian too. :grin:


#118

Wow. A lot more people bringing up the layout issue than I would have expected. I personally liked how everything was mashed together with different colored tags for sorting. But it seems a number of others hate it. Including some users that didn’t convert from RR.

I still support the idea of a categories page as a split screen when someone hits the home page.

I do feel it should remain obvious and evident that its a forum. Not a site with a forum on it.

Thoughts?


#119

Do you mean splitting the screen in the middle and having categories listed vertically on both the left and right sides of the split ? … I’m probably not understanding correctly.

I agree.


#120

Wicked, I appreciate the idea. I’ve been spending a lot of time on the Produce Like A Pro forum, and subdividing recording related categories has worked badly for them. The womb, which was one of the other highly active forums eventually collapsed all their recording categories together and it really helped things.

@holster, and @bozmillar, I’m of the opinion at the moment, that any an all tech talk (Daws, plugins, software, virtual instruments) need to be left in one category tab, then divided with the color scheme within that tab just like we’re doing now.

I think he main categories that need to be split are business, bash, backstage, and intro.


#121

@Wicked, I’m talking about this…

So leave the categories within the category color coded and searchable by group. My main frustration with that page, is if you click BASH, I intuitively want to see the right column ONLY show recent bashes, but still have access to the tabs on the left column. Instead it applies a filter to everything within that category, and makes it full page.


#122

I think that looks A LOT better than what we have now! It adds much more clarity and direction for newcomers and the rest of us.

Yeah, I totally see your point…I wonder if there’s any work around for that problem? Even if there isn’t a solution, I really think that your forum layout would be a big improvement.

I appreciate the effort you’re putting in to this site Jonathan ! :beerbang: :thumbsup:


#123

You seem to be making a lot of assumptions about the way people think and act generally Andrew. Obviously the site is set up wrong for you - or more accurately, for your perception of a new member, but I’m not so sure it applies to everyone.

I’m not sure your music shop analogy works either. I mean, it’s not a music shop, it’s a forum. People act differently on forums compared to real life, and most people know the way that forums operate.

Personally I think it’s good that the home page shows the latest conversations in chronological order. As a new member on a forum, that’s exactly what I want to see, it allows me to check out the general level of conversation and topics, see how often people are posting (i.e., is the forum dead or thriving), and get a feel for how things generally progress. If there is something I specifically want to know, there’s a search button on most forums.

Having said that, the only way that we can know what people actually want is to ask them, so it’s all conjecture until that research is performed.

As a former internet marketer of “dubious” methods, if I wanted people to come to this forum, I’d contact people whom I know are definitely the type that are going to join, stay, and become a valued member of a home recording forum. i.e., people who are already members of other recording forums.